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South Wales West AM Peter Black claims 140,000 will get income tax cut

By South Wales Evening Post  |  Posted: December 07, 2012

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MORE than 140,000 ordinary workers in Swansea and Neath Port Talbot will see an income tax cut in April, an AM has claimed.

Peter Black, the Lib Dem member for South Wales West, said it was a piece of good news following the Chancellor's Autumn Statement this week.

George Osborne announced he was raising the personal allowance by £235 more than previously announced next year, to £9,440.

Mr Black said: "This announcement means that by April, 140,400 ordinary working people in Swansea and Neath Port Talbot will get a further Income Tax cut, bringing the total tax cut to £600 a year since Liberal Democrats joined the Coalition Government.

"This news is particularly welcome because it also means that the Liberal Democrats have lifted 12,510 low-earners out of paying Income tax altogether since the Coalition Government came to power in these two council areas."

Meanwhile the First Minister, Carwyn Jones, welcomed the UK Government's capital boost for Wales.

However, he added that challenging times were still ahead.

"It is good to see the UK Government have listened to our call for extra infrastructure investment — we have been pressing the case for some time and are pleased that they have responded.

"Despite this extra money, it must be remembered that our capital budget in 2014-15 will still be 39 per cent lower in real terms than it was in 2009-10.

"The fact is we will still be experiencing deep cuts that will only hinder us in our attempts to boost economic growth.

"The additional capital allocations are smaller in comparison to the additional £500 million capital investment we announced yesterday for the A465 and the 21st Century Schools Programme.

"The Chancellor has also announced a 3 per cent cut in real terms to our revenue budgets meaning we will have to make some very difficult funding choices.

"The reality of this Autumn Statement is Wales is still facing a very tough public spending environment for years to come."

Other highlights from the Chancellor's statement on Wednesday include the basic state pension to rise by £2.70 a week from April 2013 which is expected to help 640,000 pensioners in Wales.

Welsh businesses will also benefit from a further one per cent reduction in the main rate of corporation tax from April 2014 to 21 per cent.

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  • Dooyah  |  December 07 2012, 3:59PM

    Something for Peter Black to explain: When challenged by Norman Smith during a live interview (Politics Home, On Air) as to why poorer people would have to suffer just as much as the better off, Lib Dem finance spokesperson Baroness Kramer responded "That's the way it has to be". If you are a subscriber to Politics Home, here is the link http://tinyurl.com/a7b7f47 The Institute of Fiscal Studies is predicting that Osborne's plans more cuts to the welfare bill and the poorest 10% of the population will see the biggest percentage drop in their incomes as a result of the measures. The Guardian: http://tinyurl.com/cj4ypfh The Daily Telegraph: http://tinyurl.com/bb9h58x The Times is saying pretty much the same but, the article is for subscribers only. Anyone above the low wage sector who thinks that they will not be affected is in for a shock - There are extreme knock-on effects that will start to be appear in the New Year.

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  • GorsseinonJoe  |  December 07 2012, 3:29PM

    Gwyddo/Neathboy. We don't live in Islington we live in Wales, for someone in the position you describe they would be entitled to Housing Benefit, Working Tax Credits, Council Tax discounts at the minimum. Government has been devolved and "our" government is wasting millions, deny that if you can. I'm not sure what luck had to do with me being brought up unless you are saying that parents don't care about their kids these days and I was lucky to have the single parent that I did. I am unemployed, otherwise I would not be on this site while my employer pays me a wage to be productive. I don't get JSA and I don't receive benefit, my wife works part time, but not enough to get working tax credits. So I believe I have the right to speak as one of those who does get by with very little, I get by without any state hand outs. BUT, I also believe that I don't have a right to own a car, PS3, have Sky or cable and expect a taxpayer to fund these for me as some on benefits do. I know that one of you is in work, probably both, so you have no right to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about because I am where I am and you don't have any idea what it's like if you are in work, you can only surmise, but I manage. I do have children. Let's look after those who really need help and not those who are living off the state by choice as many are.

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  • Jiffy  |  December 07 2012, 3:13PM

    Not many people are aware that the toffs have slipped in another hidden reduction is housing benefit, called Council Tax Support. At moment it only applies to England, but that's not say we won't be seeing it's affects here. http://tinyurl.com/bw4vat8 Basically, in areas of high welfare claims, less money will be available for claiments. In richer areas, there won't be a reduction. Funny that! As for the bedroom tax, there will be thousands of people forced to move - at their expense - or pay a lot more for their accommodation. With massive discounts on the sale of council houses in the offing, the days of cheap accommodation for the poorly paid will soon be gone.

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  • Gwyddno  |  December 07 2012, 2:30PM

    GorsseinonJoe 1. It would be nice if 140,000 people on low wages were better off but, they won't be due to cuts in benefits and rises in the price of basic foodstuffs. They are more working people in receipt of Housing & Council Tax benefit than those not working and maybe, as a result in Osborne's DWP rate changes, they might as well give up their jobs and move to a low rent area. Is that fair, sane Government or what? 2. Because they didn't want to annoy you. Isn't hindsight wonderful? 3. See my comment at 10:05am. 4. The introduction of a National Health Service is one of the best examples of socialism. Talk to the people on the front line of the NHS not the Tory snake oil politicos who are selling what they can to the private sector. The Tories have hated the NHS since the time it was created and they will not rest until it is destroyed. Take a look at that Tory MEP who went to the USA and was paid thousands to rubbish the NHS. 5. The English Councils. I see nothing good about a half-truth in your point 5 comment at 11:30am.

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  • Neathboy234  |  December 07 2012, 2:15PM

    GorsseinonJoe Of course 140,000 will be better off due to these tax changes, but those with young families will be a lot worse off with other measures announced in the budget. I'm not going to go though all your points but one point 1. The national min wage is £6.19/hour. That works out at £247/week before tax. Are you saying that someone who loses their job, how would they mange to live. Lets just say they lived Islington, London(a poor area). The average rent for a one-bedroom flat, is £74.72/week for a one bedroom flat. That comes to £323/month. I think you need to join the real world, It's luck that your rules were around when you were a small boy. Tell me how would pay for the rent/heating/clothes and food for 8 kids. You would have all been out on the streets, naked and starving

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  • GorsseinonJoe  |  December 07 2012, 1:22PM

    To put the record straight. I was born in Townhill in a family of 8 where my father died of TB when I was eight. No silver spoon, no big wage packet, no large inheritance, living in a council house, just a good mother who instilled that we should all make our own way in life and not rely on the state. 1) Why should someone on benefits be able to "earn" more than someone in a job? From a taxpayers point of view is this "fair"? 2) Why did the Labour Government between 1997 -2010 not raise the tax to 50% for high earners? Because they were in the pockets of those they wished to emanate. (Remember the "fat cats" that Labour were voted in to get rid off?) It never happened. 3) I think your response is a grudging acceptance of the truth. 4) The 8% cut is fact. The Welsh Government is a socialist government who is wasting money hand over fist, the NHS is just one example. 5) Good to see that you agree that councils were given cash to freeze council tax but denied the taxpayers the chance to keep money in their pockets. You are against 140,000 being better off? And I note nothing on the additional points?

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  • Jiffy  |  December 07 2012, 12:58PM

    This bloke makes a lot of noise for someone who's not been elected. He's a very good reason why we should never have allowed PR & regional lists in the Welsh Assembly. No matter how big a fool he makes of himself, he can't be voted out. We're seeing the end of hereditary peers having seats in the Lords, but allow the likes of Peter Black to have a potential job for life.

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  • Neathboy234  |  December 07 2012, 12:44PM

    Gwyddno your dead right there is a world of difference between a 5% rise for an executive and a 5% rise for a lowly paid worker.

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  • Gwyddno  |  December 07 2012, 12:33PM

    GorsseinonJoe 1. Total rubbish. You are misusing stats. Please quote real money and not percentages. 10% of £25k is £2500. 20% of £3k is £600. If people were better off out of work, hardly anyone would work as most people hate their jobs. JSA is £71 per week for over 25s and £56 for under 25s. btw: Have you looked a Boardroom pay and Banker bonuses? 2. The cut in the highest income tax rate is now and it's a loss of £3bn a year to the treasury. An example of the Tory number 1 charity. 'Help the Loaded'. In real terms it is a real loss - Simple arithmetic. Play the percentage game by all means but, don't expect to fool everyone. 3. I've already point out that it's given out with one hand and taken away by the other hand. 4. Dis-information or out right lie? You decide. http://tinyurl.com/9wdwm4d 5. Really? Some examples: Whittlesey North http://tinyurl.com/ay4j2eb Oh look they accepted a one-off payment from cuddly Mr. Pickles in 2011 which eneabled them to freeze to Council Tax. Many other English Councils accepted the same offer. Luton http://tinyurl.com/az9f3eo Telford & Wrekin http://tinyurl.com/a74kwg4 The above are not isolated cases.

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  • Neathboy234  |  December 07 2012, 11:51AM

    GorsseinonJoe George Osborn couldn't have put it any better than yourself. Tell me was you born with a silver spoon in your mouth like him and all the other toffs, probably not!. As we learnt in the 80's under the last Tory Gov, don't get sick, don't get old, and whatever you do don't get poor.

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